DB 028: Space System Researcher Angelo Vermeulen On Leadership And Our Future In Space

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This week, Eva and Olga welcome Angelo Vermeulen, a space systems researcher, biologist, artist and community organizer.  Angelo founded SEAD (Space Ecologies Art and Design), an international network of individuals working in art, science, engineering and advocacy. Angelo was also the crew commander of HI-SEAS, a Mars simulation study on improving the nutritional value of space food, funded by NASA. For this project, he and a crew of six astronauts lived for four months in a dome, all in the name of studying the effects of longterm isolation among a small crew.


  • What it was like spending 4-months in a Mars simulation study.
  • How it felt to be isolated for an extended period of time with a small group of people.
  • The leadership skills he learned in isolation.
  • When, how and why he got interested with space.
  • What he studied in school and why it is positive to have more than one focus.
  • How he got hired by NASA.
  • How living on Mars would be different than living on Earth.
  • Angelo’s prediction for when we will send astronauts to Mars.
  • Angelo’s big dream.


In this episode, Angelo shared his life-changing experience of being the crew commander in a 4-month Mars mission simulation in Hawaii. This week we thought it would be fun to share 3 interesting facts about Mars that you can teach your friends and family. We created this fun artwork with you as a teacher lecturing about Mars. As always, our Dream Big Podcast downloads can be customized with your face and name, and it is 100% free to download. Click here to claim you free download

If this teach one person these 3 fun facts about Mars, please let Olga know by emailing her at [email protected].  You will be entered into a drawing for a $50 Amazon Gift card and 1-month free membership in Post Pal Club. Winners are selected monthly and contacted by email (as well as announced on our show!).


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